against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its … A machine gun and shield were added to later versions. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:41 pm, Post Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. Wot stug iii vs stug iv. No provision for indirect firing? Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. Panzer(Stug)Abteilungen of 4 and 17 SSPGD's, 5SSPD later (2 coys. The StuG III was based on a Panzer III chassis (hence the III), and it didn’t have a rotating turret. Both StuG models were given an exclusively tank destroyerrole in German formations and tactical planning in the last two years of the war, greatly augmenting the capability of the dwindling tank force available to the German ar… The Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf. Some StuG IIIs were modified with a co-axial machine gun as well. Luftwaffe fuel supplies really began to drop rapidly after that. Colonel Erich von Manstein recommended the concept of infantry Begleitbatterien (escort batteries) to General Beck, chief of the general staff in 1935. Over 10,000 StuGs were eventually produced.[4]. A Finnish StuG (posing as a German one) appears in the movie The Eagle Has Landed, and ex-Finnish StuGs have since turned up in British war museums. Yet roads,railways,trucks, parts factories, petrol stations were damaged/destroyed. The StuG III's 75 mm KwK 40 L/48 gun could penetrate the M4A1's front armor at 1000 meters or more (except the gun mantlet). Hello Axis-Guys I'm curious about the version of the Stug III in the following photographs: It's an accident from 17. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. German weapons, vehicles and equipment 1919-1945. It's armor is worse, but it's cannon is almost the same. 167), was a German assault gun variant of the Panzer IV used in the latter part of the Second World War. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. Combat weight was 23 tonnes, lighter than the 23.9 tonnes for the StuG III Ausf. Post Feb 03, 2018 #3 2018-02-03T15:46. They were very similar in that they were low to the ground and had armoured casement instead of a turret. Following the defeat of the German Empire in World War I, military commanders from the Reichswehr began to consider how mobile armored artillery units could provide support to advancing infantry units. G) is a rank II German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was found, however, that the turretless StuGs had enough room in the crew compartment to handle the 75 mm Pak 40, and this modification was made. by Alkie » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:14 pm, Post The StuG III became Nazi Germany's most produced armored fighting vehicle during World War II, with some 10,000 examples manufactured. Between 1942 … It had a Maybach HL 120 engine that was capable of propelling it at speeds of up to 40 km/h. Initially, they were intended as armored self-propelled guns providing close fire support to the infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes and other entrenched positions. Using the tanks high speed and maneuverability, you should generally stay away from enemies and damage them from afar with your weak armor and good … In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. [1] Manstein theorized the vehicle would not be used as one uses a tank, but rather as an infantry support vehicle to destroy fortified objectives through direct fire. While the Hetzer has a top speed of 42km/h forwards and 12km/h in reverse to the StuG's 40km/h and 11km/h, the StuG, despite being heavier, has a much more powerful engine (320hp vs 220hp). Up-armored StuG III Ausf.G from an unidentified unit at the third battle of Kharkov, February 1943. G was mounted on a Panzer IV chassis 7. A number of captured StuGs were refurbished in the Soviet Union and given to Syria, along with some Panzer IVs, where they were used briefly against Israel. Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. AP (solid) projectile of English 57mm tank gun -from 600m. Majority was issued in companies to infantry divisions with few exceptions. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). Redbaron1908 Member Posts: 2023 Joined: 31 Dec 2002, 18:52 Location: Texas. He doesnt fit its role: The quote below is from achtungpanzer.com. The Stug 3 and Stug 4 were probably the most cost effective German armoured fighting vehicles of WW2. yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. 14K 3,302 5. I'd say if you are new to mediums get the Panzer 4. Production rates were better than for panzers IV and V. So production continued until the end of the War. Daimler-Benz AG was given the order to develop and produce such a weapon on June 15, 1936. After seeing how bad the Stuh performs at 3.3 i started to think hard to find any reason for having Stug 3G at BR 4.3 - both have the same chasis/armor, and both are easy to destroy on all but medium-long range (lots of weakspots) - Germany has no low tier front line heavy tank, just a bunch of glass mediums, the Stug 3G was the only German low tier tank i had … It was based upon the StuG IIIAusf. It was operated by 4 men crew. by Roger Griffiths » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:54 pm, Post At first the Stug 3 had a short barreled 75mm gun, but it was upgraded into a long barreled 75 as a countermeasure to the Russian t34. This basically ended any realistic opportunity of freeing the 6th Army. F/8 and Ausf. Post Feb 03, 2018 … https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/sturmgeschutz-iv.php Dave AAA. by Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:38 pm, Post Using a powerful modified 75mm assault gun, it is known as a very effective tank killer. The superstructure of the StuG III Ausf. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. I happen to think he was one of most capable generals and military theorists of the 20th Century. [3] The main armament, which had a limited lateral traverse, was mounted directly in a casemate-style hull. While the I never build Panther. Not only was its main gun powerful enough to knock out the new Soviet tanks, but the Panzer III chassis on which it was based was highly mobile and reliable, and the increased armor plating combined with its low silhouette made it a difficult vehicle to destroy. Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. You have to get the equipment to the Front.. Kramer, Guderian tried to get hold of Stug production for PD's and PGD's in April 1943 on being appointed Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen. I never build Panther. The point I was making about the chassis of the Stug III and Hertzer (translation: "Troublemaker") is that the tank turrents that previously resided on these chassis could not support a capable anti-tank gun, or thick sloped armor. The Imperial War Museum's Duxford site also has an ex-Finland StuG but its markings are more ambiguous. of I Abteilung) all had them. This vehicle first saw combat in France in 1940. IV H and J. Concentrated bombing of Synthetic Fuel factories... An Agitator is pretty much the same as a troublemaker. To make up for the large deficit in StuG III production, StuG IV production received full support. The Blitzkrieg Doctrinemust be active before it can be called into the field. As a result, production was significantly reduced. StuG III Ausf.G from the 23rd Sturmgeschütz Brigade in Russia, late 1943. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. There was a big conference and the Artillery Arm saw him off. The Sturmgeschütz IV (StuG IV) (Sd.Kfz. In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. When they came up against very large numbers of T-34's in long range engagements near the Aksai River, they suffered very very high casualties. The StuG IV was a way to keep the StuG in production after the main assembly plant for it was bombed. The lack of an internal light machine gun in early models left the StuG vulnerable to close-range infantry attack. The Bovington Tank Museum in Dorset has one painted in Finnish markings. Jagdpanzer Grenadier Division “Totenkopf”, Kursk, summer 1943. The Krupp plant, which did not produce Panzer IIIs, used the Panzer IV chassis with a modified StuG III superstructure, with a box compartment for the driver added. Hertzers and Stug III's could not be made as tanks capable of surviving on the Eastern Front. Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community, Post Was'nt it Guderian who requested more StuGs production over tanks? On December 17, 1942, the primary battle group in the relief effort lost 90 of their 120 available panzers (although some were repaired and fought again). Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV.The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III.The StuG III was initially designated "StuG… Alkie, I've seen those 'posters' you mention and there are a couple here,too.Tank producton was still high considering. So the Panzer IV G, H or J. vs. the StuG III F, G or H. They're both medium tanks (9+), both sporting a heavy AT cannon and an MMG, both can get the Schürzen for extra protection against … They could not carry a 75mm L48 gun (turret ring too small) as tanks but could as assualt guns, along with heavier (and sloped) frontal armor. Aside from the chassis upon which either vehicle was based, is there any major substantive difference between the Stug III and Stug IV assault guns? The first production units, the Sturmgeschütz III Ausf A, arrived in 1940 mounted with the short barreled 75 mm StuK 37L/24 gun and increased frontal hull armor (from 30 mm to 50 mm). A captured Syrian Panzer IV and StuG III are on display at the Armor Museum in Israel. Nominal: 3.9 s 50% Crew: 4.83 s 75% Crew: 4.22 s 100% Crew: 3.74 s Rammer: 3.37 s ... Low HP for a tier 4 TD Performance. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:27 pm, Post Only about 1,300 StuH 42s were produced and were based on the StuG III F/8 and G models. Then the whole thing goes pear shaped. Having canceled the production of the Pz. The high velocity guns were not that important in the initial role. It resulted in devastating the factory's ability to produce large numbers of Stugs for several months. sfn error: no target: CITEREFSkaarup2011 (, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Sturmgeschütz: StuG III, StuH and StuG IV", Sturmgeschutz III/IV at Achtung Panzer website, Photos of the Sturmgeschütz III at the Canada War Museum in Ottawa Ontario, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sturmgeschütz&oldid=1007394817, World War II self-propelled artillery of Germany, Articles needing additional references from February 2016, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 17 February 2021, at 22:33. It is a I can't pick many holes in what you guys are writing but consider this. It was still an effective weapon in 1945 but would have been obsolete within 2 years after that. I don't know if the plants making StuG bodies could have easily been converted to JgPz IV body production or if JgPz IV production could have completely replaced StuG production. Hosted by Art. A more powerful gun, the 75 mm Pak 40, was being developed, but it didn't fit in the turret of the Panzer III, Germany's primary medium tank at the time. Because of the decreased costs and ease of production, the Germans began to use the StuGs to replace standard tank losses. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. Still, the StuG III was an effective armored fighting vehicle long after the Panzer III had been retired as a main battle tank. Gs being used in the anti-tank role. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:02 am, Post They had AT capability out to 800m but the primary purpose was to neutralize strongpoints. It was not intended to be used to exploit breakthroughs and drive into the enemy rear areas, as the Panzertruppen units were intended to do. F/8 and Ausf. It was developed by a … Initially a secondary capability, employment as an anti-tank weapon became more important as the war progressed. In February 1943, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Armament, the Krupp company began trials of a new vehicle with the superstructure of the updated StuG III and the new suspension of the Pz.Kpfw. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. Some source apply designation Sd.Kfz.163 to Stug IV. I used to own one, and from my experience it's better than the Panzer 3, but not in the same league as the Panther. Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. 11 posts • Page 1 of 1. mav Member Posts: 14 Joined: 22 Jul 2006, 13:05 ... 4. It was at that time that Stug IV was either put into production or production was accelerated as a stopgap measure to supply assault guns to the various fronts. ....(page 96) in 1943 the Alkett factory, which produced Stug III's, was carpet bombed by the USAF. by Alkie » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:38 am, Post These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. Elevation of the gun? And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its about same. In 1942 and 1943 the StuG was one of the most effective tracked fighting vehicles fielded by the belligerents, in terms of enemy vehicles destroyed. against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. At least it did according the charts I've seen. 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